Bb vs Bu - пассивная защита на постфлопе. Тренировка для игроков Нл50-Нл200 (03.09.2015) - 19.00

[Boggart York]

Данная тренировка посвящена теме игры на постфлопе, когда мы сделали колдколл на BB против опенрейза с BU и играем постфлоп без позиции и без инициативы с различными типами рук против широкого спектра защиты на BB. 

 

В данной теме вы можете выкладывать свои раздачи и вопросы, связанные с игрой BB vs BU, в качестве колдколлера на префлопе. 

 

[Yorkshire]

Был совсем другой вопрос, но напутал с фильтрами Чтобы не было флудом: минус 27 евбб/100, когда колю ББвсБУ в стиловых ситуациях - это норм винрейт? Коллирую 24%, 3бечу 11%. Стоит ли расширить или сузить спектры защиты? Может быть часть рук из диапазона кола увести в 3бет? При 3бете винрейт - минус 19 евбб/100

Я понимаю, что играю лучше фолда, но может нормальным считается плюсовой винрейт или там околонулевой?

[Yorkshire]

Рег 24/18 (1к рук) Стил с БУ 33% (3 бб открывает всегда с БУ и на СБ фиш с впип 91%), фолд на 3 бет 2 из 2. Сбеты в этих позах 90%(10 ситуаций)/ 80%(5)/ 25%(4). По фолдам на рейз сбета данных нет практически. Фолд на донк 43%(7). Агрессия 55/47/28, ВТСД 30%, ВонСД 37%

Стоит ли заводить мелкие карманки под него или лучше 3бетить их в блеф? И нужно ли выбивать эквити его рук и как - донком или рейзом на флопе или терне? Или колить 2 улицы и выкидывать на ставку по риверу? И нужно ли выдавливать девятку и карманки ниже валета на ривере после рейза на терне? Сайзинг рейза на терне не маловат? И еще вопрос - против такого фиша я должен расширять открытия в позе на месте рега или наоборот сужать?

 

IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

 

SB: $27.54 (55.1 bb)

Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)

BTN: $75.54 (151.1 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

BTN raises to $1.50, SB folds, Hero calls $1

 

Flop: ($3.25) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $2.27, Hero calls $2.27

 

Turn: ($7.79) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero raises to $9, BTN calls $5

 

River: ($25.79) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN checks

[regtime]

1.Опп понимающий рег 21/16. Всего 262 руки(за 6 мес.), т.к. играет мало в последнее время, steal BU-50, cbet flop IP 40, WonSD 60(10), остальные показатели не репрезентативны.

 

 $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

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SB: $100 (100 bb)

Hero (BB): $126.80 (126.8 bb)

UTG: $233.69 (233.7 bb)

MP: $99 (99 bb)

CO: $194.83 (194.8 bb)

BTN: $110.05 (110.1 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif

3 folds, BTN raises to $2.62, SB folds, Hero calls $1.62

 

Flop: ($5.74) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $4.30, Hero calls $4.30

 

Turn: ($14.34) Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $18, Hero calls $18

 

River: ($50.34) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $25.17, Hero ?

Стоит ли здесь пушить в блеф на ривере?

 

 

2. Опп неизвестный игрок.

 

$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

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SB: $58.38 (58.4 bb)

Hero (BB): $100 (100 bb)

UTG: $100 (100 bb)

MP: $122.39 (122.4 bb)

CO: $100 (100 bb)

BTN: $224.42 (224.4 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

3 folds, BTN raises to $2.87, SB folds, Hero calls $1.87

 

Flop: ($6.24) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $3.12, Hero calls $3.12

 

Turn: ($12.48) 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $7.24, Hero calls $7.24

 

River: ($26.96) Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $16.48, Hero ?

Как в вакууме играем по такой структуре? 

 

[Sargtath]

У меня вопрос по средним рукам (KQ,TT, 99,88 и т.д.) Против каких оппонентов и когда их предпочтительней отнести в колд колл vs BU а когда в 3бет. Какие постфлоп тенденции оппонентов могут склонять нас в одну, либо другую сторону.

[koluha]

Ставить ли ривер

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

 

SB: 120.46 BB

Hero (BB): 111.34 BB

UTG: 100 BB

MP: 41.26 BB

CO: 137.24 BB

BTN: 119.84 BB (VPIP: 27.46, PFR: 22.20, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 2,055) steal 56; ip cb 63, cb/f 48,c/f 91, cb t 47, fold vs float oop r 57. w$sd 54, w$wsf 47, HM Afq:44,31,24 call r 35, w$when call r 43

 

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

 

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A T

 

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

 

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) K J J

Hero checks, BTN bets 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB

 

Turn: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero checks, BTN checks

 

River: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero bets 8 BB, fold

 

Hero wins 11.94 BB

[IvanDuke]

Опп http://i.imgur.com/PON4RZo.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/ovefeS4.png

BTN: $100.80

SB: $140.48

Hero (BB): $157.77

UTG: $100.00

MP: $201.76

CO: $163.86

 

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Q A

3 folds, BTN raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1

 

Flop: ($4.50) 7 T A (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $2.49, Hero calls $2.49

 

Turn: ($9.48) 3 (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $5.61, Hero calls $5.61

 

River: ($20.70) A (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $17, Hero ???

[koluha]

PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

 

SB: 100 BB

Hero (BB): 184.28 BB

UTG: 114.56 BB CO: 100 BB

BTN: 87.68 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

 

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

 

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

 

fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, BTN calls 5 BB

 

Flop: (12.5 BB, 2 players) 4 4 5

Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

 

Turn: (24.5 BB, 2 players) T

Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

 

River: (36.5 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero checks, BTN bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

[LogAnt]

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

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Hero (SB): $33.67 (112.2 bb)

BB: $48.89 (163 bb)

CO: $29.52 (98.4 bb)

BTN: $15.35 (51.2 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

CO folds, BTN raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.75, BB folds

 

Flop: ($2.10) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

 

Turn: ($4.20) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $3.15, Hero calls $3.15

 

River: ($10.50) Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

 

 

бу 40 ор, цб 90, тцб 40, афк 37 / 28 / 44 / 250 р.

 

[reason]

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

Hero (BB): $12.02
UTG: $9.70
CO: $10.62
BTN: $18.74
SB: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 4 2
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 2 A 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.45) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($1.05) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70
 

63h | 69/39 | bu steal 99(3)

CB IP: 90(10), 67(3), 0(1)

CB/fold IP 0(1)

afq: 59(34), 29(14), 45(11)

wtsd: 23(35)

w$sd: 75(8)

[garmoniya]

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

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SB: $80 (160 bb)

Hero (BB): $53.09 (106.2 bb)

UTG: $52.61 (105.2 bb)

MP: $21.89 (43.8 bb)

CO: $50.75 (101.5 bb)

BTN: $56.83 (113.7 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

3 folds, BTN raises to $1.25, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75

 

Flop: ($2.75) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $2.03, Hero calls $2.03

 

Turn: ($6.81) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $5.01, Hero ?

 

opr bu 58, cbet inp 55-53-50, agrf 33-28-27, wwsf 42, w$sd 52

 

[LogAnt]

Pacific, $0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $33.05 (110.2 bb)

Hero (BB): $60.01 (200 bb)

UTG: $11.33 (37.8 bb)

MP: $30 (100 bb)

CO: $36.30 (121 bb)

BTN: $41.95 (139.8 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif

3 folds, BTN raises to $1.05, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75

 

Flop: ($2.25) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN checks

 

Turn: ($2.25) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

 

River: ($5.25) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $3.93, Hero calls $3.93

 

129 рук / 56 / 14 / цб 40 флоп / афк 17 / 23 / 38

 

[IvanDuke]

Можно ли блефануть тут? Или фолд уже терн?

 

Опп http://i.imgur.com/yEfcb0q.png

http://i.imgur.com/nk6vxJd.png

 

Hero (BB): $50.00

UTG: $56.83

MP: $52.08

CO: $110.42

BTN: $50.00

SB: $66.71

 

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 5 7

3 folds, BTN raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

 

Flop: ($2.25) 6 5 T (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN checks

 

Turn: ($2.25) J (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

 

River: ($5.25) 9 (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, Hero raises to $12.50