Грубые ошибки в больших банках. Тренировка для Нл16 и ниже. (16.08.2015) - 14.00

[Boggart York]

Данная тренировка посвящена разбору грубых ошибок из-за которых вы проигрывали большие банки (более 20бб), неправильно оценив спектр оппонента или его реакцию на ваши действия.

 

В данном топе вы можете выкладывать свои раздачи и вопросы, связанные с этой темой. 

[steepfell]

По флопу и терну делал ставки на прямое вэлью против данного оппонента, по закрывшемуся флешу не был уверен в правильности ставки, так как в спектре фишного оппонента будет много флешей, но чеком мы можем не добрать с короля слабее или даже вальта.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 
 
Hero (SB): $16.46 (164.6 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $10.61 (106.1 bb)
MP: $21.69 (216.9 bb)
CO: $20.16 (201.6 bb)
BTN: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
 
Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, BB folds, BTN calls $0.80
 
Flop: ($2.30) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.45, BTN calls $1.45
 
Turn: ($5.20) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $3.45, BTN calls $3.45
 
River: ($12.10) 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10.46 and is all-in, BTN calls $4.35 and is all-in

 

Results: $20.80 pot ($0.94 rake)

Final Board: 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif
Hero showed Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif and lost (-$10.35 net)
BTN showed 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif and won $19.86 ($9.51 net)

 

 

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[Boggart York]

ВНИМАНИЕ!

 

Начало тренировки переносится на 14.00 по Мск в это воскресенье. 

[Dimentiy54]

Есть ли тут пуш на ривере? Как тут лучше разыграть свою руку?

 

Оппонент на СБ не известный на батоне рег 348 рук

 

 

http://i70.fastpic.ru/big/2015/0814/a8/38684fc68551cf01dfaf33018ad319a8.png

 

 

 

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $3.89 (77.8 bb)

Hero (BB): $5 (100 bb)

MP: $2.07 (41.4 bb)

CO: $6.12 (122.4 bb)

BTN: $4.35 (87 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

MP folds, CO raises to $0.12, BTN raises to $0.43, SB calls $0.41, Hero calls $0.38, CO folds

 

Flop: ($1.41) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (3 players)

SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

 

Turn: ($1.41) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (3 players)

SB bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

 

River: ($2.16) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (3 players)

SB bets $2.07, Hero ??

 

 

 

[mauserr]

PokerStars Hand #138960166108:  Holdem No Limit ($0.08/$0.16 USD) - 2015/08/05 1:01:05 CUST [2015/08/04 18:01:05 ET]

The Official ProPokerPro Hand Converter

 

8 players (stacks):

Hero (SB) ($18.95)

BB ($16)

UTG2 ($15.58)

MP1 ($16.24)

MP2 ($16.4)

MP3 ($16)

CO ($16)

BTN ($16)

Blinds: $0.08/$0.16

 

Pre-flop: ($0.24, 8 players) Hero is SB:  ,  

5 folds, BTN raises to $0.4, Hero raises to $1.44, BB folds, BTN calls $1.04

 

Flop:  ,  ,  ($3.04, 2 players)

Hero bets $1.92, BTN calls $1.92

 

Turn:  ($6.88, 2 players)

Hero bets $3.84, BTN raises to $12.64 (All-in), Hero folds

 

Final Pot: $14.56

 

 

http://s018.radikal.ru/i527/1508/57/486bea6ba1c2.png

[Dimentiy54]

Как вообще правильно нужно планировать свой розыгрыш? И всегда ли нужно планировать? если играешь столов допустим 6,8 разве будешь все это успевать? Хочется услышать ответ от профи   

[apostal729]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

 

UTG ($15.30)

MP1 ($10.90)

MP2 ($9.09)

CO ($10)

Button ($7.14)

Hero (SB) ($10)

BB ($10.73)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif

5 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.40, BB calls $1.40

 

Flop: ($4.80) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $1.90, BB raises to $8.33 (All-In), Hero ? (All-In)

 

Опп рег 19/15:

http://i11.pixs.ru/storage/0/2/0/2jpg_6504646_18428020.jpghttp://i11.pixs.ru/storage/0/2/1/3BETjpg_1143187_18428021.jpghttp://i10.pixs.ru/storage/0/2/2/4BETjpg_1041223_18428022.jpg

 

Как мне казалось оверпар у него не много будет, в среднем по лимиту их чаще на префлопе пихают, может он тут оверкарты AQ-AK пихнуть или нет?

 

[apostal729]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

 

Button ($9.95)

SB ($61.39)

BB ($12.07)

UTG ($10.25)

UTG+1 ($5.30)

Hero (MP1) ($10)

MP2 ($11.33)

MP3 ($3.22)

CO ($4.42)

 

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 5 folds, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.40, BB calls $1.40

 

Flop: ($4.85) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)

BB checks, Hero checks

 

Turn: ($4.85) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (2 players)

BB bets $2.70, Hero folds

 

Опп рег 16/12:

http://i11.pixs.ru/storage/0/3/0/2jpg_7208074_18428030.jpghttp://i11.pixs.ru/storage/0/3/1/3BETjpg_6895572_18428031.jpghttp://i11.pixs.ru/storage/0/3/2/4BETjpg_4640325_18428032.jpg

 

По флопу не нашел причин для ставкой, наверника у него ренж колла 4бета ООП будет сильный, а по терну вроде как агрессия низкая не похоже что такой тип блефовать по АК будет, есть ли колл терна?

 

[apostal729]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

 

BB ($10.42)

UTG ($9.15)

UTG+1 ($12.89)

MP1 ($10.37)

Hero (MP2) ($10)

CO ($13.05)

Button ($10.40)

SB ($13.28)

 

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif

UTG raises to $0.30, UTG+1 calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.70, UTG+1 calls $0.70

 

Flop: ($3.15) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (3 players)

UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

 

Turn: ($3.15) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif (3 players)

UTG bets $1.60, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.60

 

River: ($6.35) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif (2 players)

UTG bets $3.30, Hero calls $3.30

 

Total pot: $12.95 | Rake: $0.58

 

Фиш 45/31:

http://i11.pixs.ru/storage/0/3/9/2jpg_1552441_18428039.jpghttp://i10.pixs.ru/storage/0/4/0/3BETjpg_7387804_18428040.jpg

 

Если смотреть на стат бет ривера после флоата терна то ставит редко надо падать, но агрессия ривером высокая, WWSF большой, выигрыш низкий, да и текстура доски такая что ни какие дро не закрылись, есть ли колл ривера?

[bonjwa]

Ну у меня же сет Опп

http://i.imgur.com/LF5xvyw.png

http://i.imgur.com/Ii2Mx3m.png

http://i.imgur.com/zfFa1la.png

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $52.77 (105.5 bb)
BB: $44 (88 bb)
UTG+1: $78.19 (156.4 bb)
UTG+2: $50 (100 bb)
MP1: $60.82 (121.6 bb)
MP2: $66 (132 bb)
Hero (MP3): $56.87 (113.7 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $22.59 (45.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 4 folds, MP1 calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.75) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.75) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)
MP1 bets $2.50, Hero raises to $18.31, MP1 raises to $34.12, Hero raises to $54.87, MP1 calls $20.75

River: ($114.49) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

[bonjwa]

В пуше по риверу никогда не будет руки слабей, по идее надо фолдить. Или считать что это кулер и нажимать кол

Опп

http://i.imgur.com/pnTAICZ.png

http://i.imgur.com/9hPbWSO.png

http://i.imgur.com/oZExSAh.png

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $50.25 (100.5 bb)
BB: $56.57 (113.1 bb)
UTG+2: $29.70 (59.4 bb)
MP1: $53.43 (106.9 bb)
MP2: $50.48 (101 bb)
Hero (MP3): $51.32 (102.6 bb)
CO: $71.16 (142.3 bb)
BTN: $53.44 (106.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, MP2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, CO folds, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($5.25) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($5.25) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $3.75, BTN calls $3.75, MP1 folds

River: ($12.75) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $9.14, BTN raises to $48.19 and is all-in, Hero calls $36.93 and is all-in

[bonjwa]

Можно найти фолд на одной из улиц или играем на стек Опп

http://i.imgur.com/mysDoXz.png

http://i.imgur.com/ozYHuKq.png

http://i.imgur.com/s7X9wD3.png

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players

SB: $34.22 (68.4 bb)
BB: $50 (100 bb)
MP1: $84.27 (168.5 bb)
MP2: $67.71 (135.4 bb)
MP3: $94.44 (188.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $77.32 (154.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
2 folds, MP3 raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $3.75, 3 folds, MP3 calls $2.50

Flop: ($8.25) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $4.44, MP3 raises to $9.46, Hero calls $5.02

Turn: ($27.17) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
MP3 bets $81.23 and is all-in, Hero calls $36.79 and is all-in

River: ($100.75) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players, 2 are all-in)