Весенняя рыбалка. Игра против фишей. Тренировка для NL25 и ниже.(10.05.2017) 17:00

[dr.Evil]

На данной тренировке мы поговорим об особенностях игры против фишей. Также можно задавать любые вопросы и постить любые раздачи, где вы играли с фишем, где вы сомневаетесь в правильности своих решений.

[rj9uff]

Очень частая ситуация, когда изолируем или 3бетим фишей  с сильной неготовой рукой, никуда не попадаем, и материм ГСЧ за такую несправедливость. Что делать? Вот 2 примера с одним и тем же фишом (65/20).

Опп: http://skrinshoter.ru/s/100517/3aCP3b7k?a  http://skrinshoter.ru/s/100517/xtYvw1wD?a http://skrinshoter.ru/s/100517/Wgd8JNDb?a

Один раз сыграл так:

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

Hero (SB): $10.05 (100.5 bb)

BB: $10 (100 bb)

UTG: $10.32 (103.2 bb)

MP: $10 (100 bb)

CO: $14.57 (145.7 bb)

BTN: $13.42 (134.2 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, BTN calls $0.90

 

Flop: ($2.50) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $1.60, BTN calls $1.60

 

Turn: ($5.70) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $3.40, Hero folds

 

Другой раз так:

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

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Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)

BB: $20.65 (206.5 bb)

UTG: $12.76 (127.6 bb)

MP: $20.45 (204.5 bb)

CO: $1.09 (10.9 bb)

BTN: $14.93 (149.3 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

2 folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.45, BB folds, CO calls $0.99 and is all-in, BTN calls $1

 

Flop: ($4.09) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (3 players, 1 is all-in)

Hero bets $8.55 and is all-in, BTN folds

 

 И первый, и второй раз сыграл по чуйке, т.к. в стратегии не описано, как играть против телефонов в 3бет поте без попадания,(описано только,как играть с оппами с большим фолдом на к.бет, флоатчиков, и потенциальных рейзеров к.бета) хотелось бы немного теории на эту тему.

 

[Yahakidd]

Вопрос тот же, как рейзер без попадания

Опп 70\17\31\36\40 (vpip\pfr\wtsd\wwsf\wonSD) на 300 рук, как коллер: http://prntscr.com/f66y0v

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $64.82 (259.3 bb)
UTG: $25.08 (100.3 bb)
MP: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
CO: $25.90 (103.6 bb)
BTN: $13.08 (52.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with
3 folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, BTN calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) (2 players)
Hero bets $0.90 (?), BTN calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.05) (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($4.05) (2 players)
Hero bets $2.20 (?)
 

[Yahakidd]

Опп 65\15\35\51\52 (vpip\pfr\wtsd\wwsf\wonSD) на 200 рук

Как коллер: http://prntscr.com/f66zsl

 

Может терн какой-нить мин рейз с челью чек-чек ривер, а то часто вижу линии минбет\минбет\потбет ривер и сиди думай со своей второй парой.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

SB: $25.62 (102.5 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)
CO: $15.31 (61.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $26.75 (107 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with
CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.35) (2 players)
CO bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($2.85) (2 players)
CO bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

River: ($3.35) (2 players)
CO bets $0.75, Hero ?
 

[Yahakidd]

Опп 69\11\31\42\43 (vpip\pfr\wtsd\wwsf\wonSD) на 70 рук. Как коллер http://prntscr.com/f672q1

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $20 (80 bb)
CO: $25 (100 bb)
BTN: $10 (40 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with
CO folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, BTN calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) (2 players)
Hero checks (?), BTN checks

Turn: ($2.25) (2 players)
Hero bets $1.14 (?), BTN calls $1.14

River: ($4.53) (2 players)
Hero checks (?), BTN checks

 

[Yahakidd]

48\5 на 20 рук. wtsd 18(11), wwsf 45(11)? wonSD 50(2).

 

Ставим ли терн и ривер (wtsd то маленький), сайзинги ?

 

Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $20.41 (127.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $16.32 (102 bb)
UTG: $29.39 (183.7 bb)
MP: $42.51 (265.7 bb)
CO: $37.17 (232.3 bb)
BTN: $16.60 (103.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with
4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.24

Flop: ($0.80) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.36, SB calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.52) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.08, SB calls $1.08

River: ($3.68) (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.63

 

[alesikStar]

Фиш 40/20 3бет 8. RFI CO 29, Fold to 3bet 22, 4bet 0. Agg 30/36/27. WTSD 30 WWSF 43 WSD 44. Float flop 38.

У нас тут 3бет на тонкое велью на префлопе, но по тому как сыграно. Колим терн против такого или нет?

 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) 

 

UTG ($63.05)

MP ($96.45)

Hero (Button) ($50)

SB ($67.86)

BB ($61.22)

 

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spade.gif, 9http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif

1 fold, MP raises to $1.31, Hero calls $1.31, SB raises to $5.74, 1 fold, MP calls $4.43, Hero calls $4.43

 

Flop: ($17.72) 3http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/club.gif, 4http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/club.gif, 7http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spade.gif(3 players)

SB checks, MP bets $8.37, Hero calls $8.37, 1 fold

 

Turn: ($34.46) 4http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif(2 players)

MP bets $24.41, Hero ?

 

 

[alesikStar]

Фиш 64/37 . Рук 73. 3беты 15. WSD 31 WWSF 42. Agg   39/42/57

Есть ли колл на терне? 

 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) 

 

UTG ($69.42)

MP ($50.75)

CO ($50.30)

Hero (Button) ($50)

SB ($40.45)

BB ($29.19)

 

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/club.gif, Khttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spade.gif

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB raises to $4.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $3

 

Flop: ($9) Khttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif, 6http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/diamond.gif, Ahttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif(2 players)

SB checks, Hero checks

 

Turn: ($9) 4http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spade.gif(2 players)

SB bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25 ???

 

River: ($17.50) 3http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif(2 players)

SB bets $20, Hero ?

 

 

[alesikStar]

Против двух фишей.

МП2 : 65 рук. 42/0. Больше ничего нет.

МП3: 994 руки. 61/33. 3бет 20. Лимп 12. Лимп/колл 50. Isolate 54.

 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) 

 

MP2 ($56.70)

MP3 ($101.25)

Hero (CO) ($100)

Button ($81.85)

SB ($119.97)

BB ($100)

UTG ($18.69)

UTG+1 ($158.41)

MP1 ($99.50)

 

Preflop: Hero is CO with Qhttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/diamond.gif, Qhttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif

3 folds, MP2 calls $1, MP3 calls $1, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, MP2 calls $5, MP3 calls $5

 

Flop: ($19.50) Jhttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/diamond.gif, 7http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/club.gif, 4http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/club.gif(3 players)

MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $13.01, MP2 calls $13.01, MP3 calls $13.01

 

Turn: ($58.53) 8http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/club.gif(3 players)

MP2 bets $37.69 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ????

 

 

[alesikStar]

28/6 3бет 2%. Агг: 21/29/20. Фолд на Сбет: 33/53/0. Флоат терн 85. WTSD 28 WWSF38 WSD 52. Bet river 23, Bet/fold 0.

 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) 

 

MP1 ($50)

Hero (MP2) ($71.44)

CO ($44.52)

Button ($49.38)

SB ($214.46)

BB ($69.17)

UTG ($51.97)

UTG+1 ($58.74)

 

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Qhttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spade.gif, Ahttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/club.gif

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Button calls $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $1

 

Flop: ($4.75) 6http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/club.gif, 9http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif, Qhttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif(3 players)

BB checks, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, 1 fold

 

Turn: ($10.75) Khttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/diamond.gif(2 players)

Hero checks, Button bets $5.08, Hero calls $5.08

 

River: ($20.91) Ahttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spade.gif(2 players)

Hero checks, Button bets $9.88, Hero calls $9.88 ???

 

 

[alesikStar]

42/12. 3bet  3.  3bet MPvs EP 0. 500 рук. Колд колл 35. Флоат флоп 80. Бет ривер 49. Бет фолд ривер 74. Агг: 49/55/47. WTSD 21 WWSF 52 WSD 45

Фолд на Сбет : 50 /50 /0

Есть ли колл на флопе? Может надо ставить флоп на полублефе? Есть ли чек/пуш ривер?

 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) 

 

BB ($240.98)

Hero (UTG) ($127.60)

UTG+1 ($96.44)

MP1 ($83.70)

MP2 ($40)

MP3 ($33.80)

CO ($143.74)

Button ($104.37)

SB ($57.17)

 

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qhttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/diamond.gif, Ahttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spade.gif

Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, MP1 calls $5, 6 folds

 

Flop: ($12.50) 5http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/spade.gif, 7http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/diamond.gif, 5http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/diamond.gif(2 players)

Hero checks, MP1 bets $11.51, Hero calls $11.51 ????

 

Turn: ($35.52) Khttp://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/heart.gif(2 players)

Hero checks, MP1 checks

 

River: ($35.52) 9http://handhistoryconverter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/diamond.gif(2 players)

Hero checks, MP1 bets $33.05, ???

 

 

 

[bbyby]

каким бы спектром ты изолировал фиша без позиции с такими статами: 

vpip/pfr    37-4

open limp - 35

limp/fold  - 35

limp/raise - 5

fold vs cbet IP flop,turn  - 43-25(8)

wtsd-wwsf-winSD - 31-44-51

1.6k рук

 

Я залил ему пару потов пока понял что его спектр кола сильнее чем мой изолейт

[Newna]

фиши

БУ

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ББ

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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

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SB: $31.76 (127 bb)

BB: $15.28 (61.1 bb)

MP: $24.60 (98.4 bb)

Hero (CO): $30.51 (122 bb)

BTN: $11.49 (46 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif

MP folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN raises to $2.60, SB folds, BB calls $2.35, Hero calls $1.85

 

Flop: ($7.90) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (3 players)

BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

 

Turn: ($7.90) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (3 players)

BB bets $4, Hero calls $4, BTN raises to $8.89 and is all-in, BB raises to $12.68 and is all-in, Hero calls $8.68

 

River: ($42.15) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (3 players, 2 are all-in)