Bb vs CO/MP/UTG - пассивная защита на постфлопе. Тренировка для игроков Нл50-Нл200 (19.11.2015) - 19.00

[Boggart York]

Данная тренировка посвящена теме игры на постфлопе, когда мы сделали колдколл на BB против опенрейза с CO/MP/UTG и играем постфлоп без позиции и без инициативы с различными типами рук против узких спектров опенрейзов. 

 

В данной теме вы можете выкладывать свои раздачи и вопросы, связанные с игрой BB vs CO/MP/UTG, в качестве колдколлера на префлопе. 

[SerjStiff]

Рег 26/20/9

Рейз 1ст ЕП 19%

 

Постфлоп:

 

 

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $20.98 (42 bb)
Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $54.43 (108.9 bb)
MP: $54.38 (108.8 bb)
CO: $13.62 (27.2 bb)
BTN: $93.31 (186.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif
UTG raises to $1.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.25) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($14.25) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $13, Hero calls $13


 

[SerjStiff]

Рег 23/17/8

Рейз 1ст СО 26%

 

Постфлоп:

 

 

 

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $52.64 (105.3 bb)
Hero (BB): $63.27 (126.5 bb)
CO: $51.55 (103.1 bb)
BTN: $48.26 (96.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif
CO raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.25) Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero folds

 

[Const]

Опп типичная "двустволка" )) Ставит флоп и тёрн, а ривер играет по карте.

CO RFI 32

CO Fold to 3bet IP 56

CO 4Bet range 8,4

Cbet IP 65/75/0

AG% 46/41/22

WWSF/WTSD/W4SD 49/30/45

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $82.57 (165.1 bb)

Hero (BB): $51.50 (103 bb)

UTG+2: $52.50 (105 bb)

MP1: $62.15 (124.3 bb)

MP2: $54.25 (108.5 bb)

MP3: $50 (100 bb)

CO: $67.49 (135 bb)

BTN: $20 (40 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

4 folds, CO raises to $1.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75

 

Flop: ($2.75) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $1.31, Hero calls $1.31

 

Turn: ($5.37) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $3.41, Hero calls $3.41

 

River: ($12.19) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO checks

 

[Const]

Опп рег 18/13

RFI 15

Cbet IP 70/35/54

AG% 40/26/19

WWSF/WTSD/W$SD 43/25/59

 

Ривер фолдим?

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $50 (100 bb)

Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)

UTG+2: $31.85 (63.7 bb)

MP1: $50 (100 bb)

MP2: $29.39 (58.8 bb)

MP3: $28.52 (57 bb)

CO: $39.59 (79.2 bb)

BTN: $51.46 (102.9 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.25, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.75

 

Flop: ($2.75) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP1 bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75

 

Turn: ($6.25) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP1 checks

 

River: ($6.25) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP1 bets $4, Hero folds

[Const]

Опп фиш 46/22

RFI 29

Cbet IP 58/63/50

CB vs 2 ops 83/100/-

AG% 53/56/62

WWSF/WTSD/W$SD 53/35/48

 

Ривер колл или фолд?

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $55.41 (110.8 bb)

Hero (BB): $83.50 (167 bb)

UTG+2: $20.83 (41.7 bb)

MP1: $46.45 (92.9 bb)

MP2: $67.73 (135.5 bb)

MP3: $50 (100 bb)

CO: $50 (100 bb)

BTN: $121.66 (243.3 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises to $1.50, 4 folds, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1

 

Flop: ($4.50) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (3 players)

SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets $3, SB folds, Hero calls $3

 

Turn: ($10.50) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP1 checks

 

River: ($10.50) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP1 bets $10.03, Hero calls $10.03

 

[Const]

Опп рег 20/14

ColdCall 16

AG% 39/37/42

WWSF/WTSD/W$SD 48/28/43

 

Ривер чек-колл?

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $56.43 (112.9 bb)

Hero (BB): $96.83 (193.7 bb)

UTG+1: $84.93 (169.9 bb)

UTG+2: $53.61 (107.2 bb)

MP1: $60.06 (120.1 bb)

MP2: $51.78 (103.6 bb)

MP3: $52.68 (105.4 bb)

CO: $25.21 (50.4 bb)

BTN: $43.42 (86.8 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

UTG+1 raises to $1, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50

 

Flop: ($3.25) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (3 players)

Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks

 

Turn: ($3.25) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (3 players)

Hero bets $2.04, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $2.04

 

River: ($7.33) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4

 

[Yorkshire]

Рег, 27/21, опенрейз 18%, ВВСФ 49%

 

 

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/4723/m_20151119-umdy-117kb.jpg

 

 

Может против такого агрессивного лучше тащить пассивно свое дро? Но на ривере уже не очень агрессивный - по доезду я без позы не получу проплату в случае доезда. По сути чек/колами я же явно показываю, что у меня ФД. Хотя с другой стороны он мало ставит терн и даст дешево дотащить свое дро.

 

На терне ведь уже нельзя падать после его пуша? И нужна ли вообще тут ставка после его кола флопа?

 

IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

 

SB: $63.32 (126.6 bb)

Hero (BB): $50.88 (101.8 bb)

UTG: $56.19 (112.4 bb)

MP: $54.55 (109.1 bb)

CO: $51.60 (103.2 bb)

BTN: $54.80 (109.6 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

UTG folds, MP raises to $1.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.25

 

Flop: ($3.75) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP bets $1.87, Hero raises to $6, MP calls $4.13

 

Turn: ($15.75) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $9.92, MP raises to $46.80 and is all-in,

[Yorkshire]

Рег, 22/17, опенрейз из ЕП 17%, ВВСФ 40

 

 

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/4723/m_20151119-mfwl-109kb.jpg

 

 

Я думаю какие то сильные руки он бы зарейзил где то раньше и получается, что он изображает какой то бекдорный флаш. Сайзинг, ВВСФ и агрессия на терен говорят, что он ставит на велью. По идее на велью руки хуже он может ставить только сеты, но они должны себя проявить где то раньше, и у него остается только флаш в диапазоне, блефов, я думаю, там будет минимум - и получается надо фолдить? Или может тут лучше была бы линия бет/фолд?

 

И от донка - нормальная тут игра?

 

IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

 

SB: $53.64 (107.3 bb)

Hero (BB): $59.46 (118.9 bb)

UTG: $55.03 (110.1 bb)

MP: $33.50 (67 bb)

CO: $62.16 (124.3 bb)

BTN: $20 (40 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

UTG raises to $1.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $1

 

Flop: ($3.25) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $2.60, UTG calls $2.60

 

Turn: ($8.45) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7

 

River: ($22.45) 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, UTG bets $15.71,

[Yorkshire]

Рег 24/18, ОР из ЕП 16%, ВВСФ 43%

 

 

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/4723/m_20151119-cqkc-124kb.jpg

 

 

Где тут нужно уже начинать его рейзить? И нужно ли вообще? Как играть на ривере - чек/кол, бет/фолд, бет/кол? Чек/рейза там же нет?

 

IPoker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

 

SB: $51 (102 bb)

Hero (BB): $52.24 (104.5 bb)

UTG: $45.69 (91.4 bb)

MP: $71.16 (142.3 bb)

CO: $142.18 (284.4 bb)

BTN: $56.04 (112.1 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

UTG folds, MP raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $1

 

Flop: ($3.25) 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP bets $1.95, Hero calls $1.95

 

Turn: ($7.15) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, MP bets $5.72, Hero calls $5.72

 

River: ($18.59) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

[rom4ik86]

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[rom4ik86]

Совсем не узкие рэнджи

 

 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

SB ($31.91)

Hero (BB) ($50.98)

BB ($31.91)

MP ($90.61)

CO ($25.95)   рег. агрессия  42/42/31 wtsd/wonsd/wwsf 24/51/47

 

Открытие 27% (что доходило до ШД)

 

http://s017.radikal.ru/i417/1511/de/ac478fce0826.png

 

Постфлоп 

http://s017.radikal.ru/i408/1511/25/7969af694158.png

 

 

 

 

vs donk

http://i003.radikal.ru/1511/49/a73851d7d69f.png

 

 

 

 

 

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/club.gif

1 fold, CO raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold

 

Flop: ($1.45) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif(2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $1.34, Hero calls $1.34

 

Turn: ($4.13) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif(2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $3.18, Hero calls $3.18

 

River: ($10.49) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif(2 players)

Hero bets $4.96,CO raises to $20.83 (All-In), Hero calls $15.87

 

Total pot: $52.15 | Rake: $2

 

У меня  получилось что нам на колл надо около 32% (с учетом рейка) а у нас 33% если опп пихает натс флаш и фуллы только.

Вопросы:

1)Можно лт тут придумать оппу что то кроме натс флаша и фуллов?

2)Оптимальный розыгрыш этой ситуации ?

рейзить флоп не айс,так как опп ставит широко да и рэнджи расшаренные

терн: у нас уже фулл и смысла рейзить опять не вижу

ривер:  так как диапазон сбета 2 улиц у него широкий,то на мой чек он часто сыграет чек бихайнд. А добирать можно с дам и иногда АК мож быть.

 

 

 

[SerjStiff]

Рег рейз1ст МП 20%

 

Постфлоп:

 

 

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $81.38 (162.8 bb)
Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $40.25 (80.5 bb)
MP: $50 (100 bb)
CO: $77.22 (154.4 bb)
BTN: $105.60 (211.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.25) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $7, Hero calls $7

River: ($22.25) 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $10, Hero folds

 

В 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif, например, ТП колл?

 

[rom4ik86]

Не совсем по теме..но спектры узкие

 

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

 

UTG: $50 (100 bb)

MP: $62.04 (124.1 bb)

CO: $71.24 (142.5 bb)     42/17 3b 13(39) 96 hands (опп показывал фишные мувы,поэтому плохой колл ривера)

BTN: $109.55 (219.1 bb)

SB: $47.25 (94.5 bb)

Hero (BB): $58.21 (116.4 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

UTG folds, MP raises to $1.50, CO raises to $3.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.25, MP folds

 

Flop: ($9.25) 6http://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 8http://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/images/emoticons/club4.gif 4http://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $2.31, Hero calls $2.31

 

Turn: ($13.87) 5http://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $6.55, Hero calls $6.55

 

River: ($26.97) 6http://www.cardrunners.com/pokertools/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $19.11, Hero calls $19.11