Грубые ошибки в больших банках, ч.3. Тренировка для игроков Нл50-Нл200 (26.08.2015) - 15.30

[Boggart York]

По многочисленным просьбам трудящихся, а также потому, что мне надо успеть на вечерний поезд, провожу тренировку днем в 15.30 

 

Данная тренировка посвящена разбору грубых ошибок из-за которых вы проигрывали большие банки (более 20бб), неправильно оценив спектр оппонента или его реакцию на ваши действия.

 

В данном топе вы можете выкладывать свои раздачи и вопросы, связанные с этой темой. 

[Yorkshire]

Только проигранные руки? Или можно руки, где доехало? Или там ХСН-кол оказался выигрышным?

[Boggart York]

Папа, папа, почему я сыграл плохо? Я ведь выиграл! (с)  

 

Если вы считаете, что допустили ошибку против спектра, но уперлись в самый его низ и выиграли - то тоже можно выкладывать. 

[regtime]

Вопрос может показаться базовым и возможно неинтересным для других, но у меня есть сомнения, которые хотелось бы прояснить.

 Для примера раздача против рега

$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $263.50 (263.5 bb)

Hero (BB): $113.60 (113.6 bb)

UTG: $179.23 (179.2 bb)

MP: $38.92 (38.9 bb)

CO: $46.38 (46.4 bb)

BTN: $100 (100 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

UTG raises to $3, 4 folds, Hero raises to $10.50, UTG raises to $25.60, Hero calls $15.10

 

Flop: ($51.70) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, UTG checks

 

Turn: ($51.70) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $27, Hero raises to $88 and is all-in, UTG folds

 

Results:

$105.70 pot ($4 rake)

Final Board: Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 

Hero mucked Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif and won $101.70 ($49.10 net)

UTG mucked and lost (-$52.60 net)

Здесь можно не обсуждать мои возможные ошибки на постфлопе, меня в первую очередь интересует префлоп-игра на блайндах против ранних поз с QQ/AK, когда мы получили 4 бет в 100бб стеках. Какая опция предпочтительней против более-менее сбалансированного оппа(не нита): блеф-пуш или колл? Против каких оппов какую подстройку использовать?

 

[regtime]

Опп рег 19/16/10, 3бет COvsMP-24(33), по фолдам на 4бет нет выборки, агрессия по улицам 24/33/28, fold to cbet in 3bp-40%, WTSD-30, WWSF-41, WonSD-52

$0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $103.18 (103.2 bb)

BB: $107.18 (107.2 bb)

UTG: $174.07 (174.1 bb)

Hero (MP): $100 (100 bb)

CO: $125.45 (125.5 bb)

BTN: $106.30 (106.3 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

UTG folds, Hero raises to $2.87, CO raises to $8.60, 3 folds, Hero raises to $21.62, CO calls $13.02

 

Flop: ($44.74) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $20, CO calls $20

 

Turn: ($84.74) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO checks

 

River: ($84.74) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $80.50, Hero ?

Стоит ли ставить на флопе или лучше сдаться? Как играть на таком ривере с AQ без бубей(бет/фолд?) при условии, что все предыдущие улицы сыграны так же?

[DrZorba]

оппонент 740рук 27/20 , 3bet SB vs BU 16, агрессия по улицам 37/34/32, cbet in 3bp-70%, WTSD-27, WWSF-41, WonSD-50

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $50.85 (101.7 bb)

BB: $97.50 (195 bb)

UTG: $140.80 (281.6 bb)

MP: $52.25 (104.5 bb)

CO: $72.39 (144.8 bb)

Hero (BTN): $59.52 (119 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $4.50, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50

 

Flop: ($9.50) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $6.73, Hero calls $6.73

 

Turn: ($22.96) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $15.50, Hero calls $15.50

 

River: ($53.96) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $24.12 and is all-in, Hero calls $24.12

 

На ривере шансы банка 24% такие, что оппоненту достаточно блефовать с KQ

Какая худшая рука с которой делаем коллдаун по таким бланкам?

 

 

[DrZorba]

оппонент 12к рук 29/20 , агрессия по улицам 37/33/20,  WTSD-25, WWSF-43, WonSD-56

http://i65.fastpic.ru/big/2015/0826/5d/e7cfadfb4ff508a41af50c71ca28c85d.jpg

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $32.26 (64.5 bb)

BB: $63.92 (127.8 bb)

UTG: $93.98 (188 bb)

MP: $131.10 (262.2 bb)

Hero (CO): $54.94 (109.9 bb)

BTN: $70.87 (141.7 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, BTN raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.25

 

Flop: ($9.75) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

 

Turn: ($21.75) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $13.84, Hero calls $13.84

 

River: ($49.43) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $27.50, Hero ?

 

На ривере у нас слабый диапазон который можно выгодно выдавить. Худшая рука с которой делаем колл?

Делать какие либо подстройки с учетом своих статов WTSD-26, WWSF-44, WonSD-54?

 

[bonjwa]

CO рекреационный игрок 8рук 63/0

BB 110 рук

http://i.imgur.com/dN55CZ3.png

http://i.imgur.com/g58eui3.png

http://i.imgur.com/3PRKNZO.png

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

SB: $49.50 (99 bb)
BB: $50 (100 bb)
CO: $39.50 (79 bb)
Hero (BTN): $50.96 (101.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif
CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, SB folds, BB calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($15.25) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $12.34, BB calls $12.34, CO folds

River: ($39.93) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)
BB bets $32.66 and is all-in, Hero calls $32.66

[bonjwa]

Опп

http://i.imgur.com/e1xHbXY.png

http://i.imgur.com/7CgPeqh.png

http://i.imgur.com/tfg9Hbu.png

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $11.33 (22.7 bb)
BB: $50 (100 bb)
UTG+1: $67.74 (135.5 bb)
UTG+2: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): $50 (100 bb)
MP2: $86.98 (174 bb)
MP3: $73.19 (146.4 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $76.81 (153.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif
UTG+1 raises to $1.50, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $1.50, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($7.50) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $3.93, Hero calls $3.93, 3 folds

Turn: ($15.36) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $10.26, UTG+1 calls $10.26

River: ($35.88) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $34.31 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $34.31

[bonjwa]

Опп играет 1 стол 13рук

http://i.imgur.com/z8uG1Nf.png

http://i.imgur.com/ZZ01xNc.png

http://i.imgur.com/SMqPDBX.png

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $58.29 (116.6 bb)
BB: $51.50 (103 bb)
UTG: $50 (100 bb)
Hero (MP): $50 (100 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $45.22 (90.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $2.91, BTN calls $2.91

Turn: ($9.57) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $8.43, BTN raises to $40.81 and is all-in, Hero calls $32.38

River: ($91.19) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players, 1 is all-in)

[DrZorba]

оппонент 21к рук 21/16 , агрессия по улицам 39/41/25,  WTSD-27, WWSF-49, WonSD-53

http://i69.fastpic.ru/big/2015/0826/9a/6d5760eae2912016a0b2eb905573719a.jpg

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $50 (100 bb)

BB: $50 (100 bb)

UTG: $70.82 (141.6 bb)

MP: $52.26 (104.5 bb)

CO: $92.66 (185.3 bb)

Hero (BTN): $62.96 (125.9 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif

3 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB folds, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $3

 

Flop: ($8.25) 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

 

Turn: ($18.25) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

BB checks, Hero bets $9.50, BB calls $9.50

 

River: ($37.25) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

BB checks, Hero bets $35.57, BB calls $31.50 and is all-in

 

1)Учитывая его узкий  3бет насколько сужать наш диапазон защиты?

2)Стоит ли выдавливать предположительно слабый диапазон оппонента никуда не доехав? 

3)С чем оппоненту тут можно играть колл?

 

 

[AH225]

$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem

6 Players

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

Stacks:

UTG  ($111.93) 112bb

UTG+1  ($103.78) 104bb

CO Hero ($102.20) 102bb

BTN  ($58.99) 59bb

SB  ($100) 100bb

BB  ($107.58) 108bb

Pre-Flop: (1.50, 6 players) Hero is CO 2 2

 

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 3 folds

 

Flop: 2 5 6 ($8.50, 2 players)

UTG+1 bets $6.37, Hero calls $6.37

Turn: A ($21.24, 2)

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $15.50, UTG+1 raises to $44, Hero calls $28.50

River: 9 ($109.24, 2)

UTG+1 goes all-in $49.91, $48.33 to Hero $48.33

рег 23/20 wwsf 44 w$sd 49

cbets 60-55-60

x-r asPFR  turn 20% ,bet after raise turn 80%

https://gyazo.com/e4ecf32ee0758f871a9f63682fca029c

[IvanDuke]

Можно ли колить терн против такого? Думаю такими колами я моного заливаю на дистанции(

http://i.imgur.com/ZokK39O.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/kGMakrU.png

SB: $100.00

BB: $133.83

UTG: $100.00

MP: $100.00

CO: $101.50

Hero (BTN): $109.47

 

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 6 6

3 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $7

 

Flop: ($20.50) 2 A 2 (2 players)

BB bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50

 

Turn: ($41.50) 4 (2 players)

BB bets $21.50, Hero calls $21.50

 

River: ($84.50) Q (2 players)

BB bets $91.83 all in, Hero folds