Третий не лишний. Разбор 3бет потов. Тренировка для Нл25 и ниже. (13.01.2016) - 18.00

[Boggart York]

Данная тренировка будет посвящена разбору всех возможных спотов и ситуаций в 3бет потах.

 

Здесь вы можете выкладывать свои раздачи и вопросы, связанные с этой темой. 

[Newna]

Во время игры думала, что на ЕП, поэтому не сыграла 4бетом, сейчас мне кажется это идеальным вариантом.

Как оптимально разыграть данную руку против этого оппа?

http://i.imgur.com/2IN4t54.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/eHCu1g9.png

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $46.95 (187.8 bb)

BB: $26.10 (104.4 bb)

Hero (MP): $25.60 (102.4 bb)

CO: $67.14 (268.6 bb)

BTN: $25 (100 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is MP with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.50

 

Flop: ($4.85) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO bets $2.36, Hero raises to $9.80, CO calls $7.44

 

Turn: ($24.45) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $13.55 and is all-in, CO calls $13.55

 

River: ($51.55) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players, 1 is all-in)

 

Results: $51.55 pot ($2 rake)

 

 

[Newna]

Смутил сайз терна: уж очень большой сайз, защищаться то ему не от чего на такой доске, а таким сайзингом он себя привязывает

 себя, тем более фиша нет в поте, спектр то у нас капнутый.

ББ фиш

http://i.imgur.com/q52OSXW.png

 

БУ

http://i.imgur.com/UJLOw5d.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/V2VQloN.png

 

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $42.39 (169.6 bb)

BB: $33.35 (133.4 bb)

UTG: $26.07 (104.3 bb)

Hero (MP): $27.04 (108.2 bb)

CO: $25 (100 bb)

BTN: $25 (100 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is MP with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB calls $2, Hero calls $1.50

 

Flop: ($6.85) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (3 players)

BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50

 

Turn: ($13.85) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $9.92, Hero raises to $21.29 and is all-in, BTN calls $9.33 and is all-in

 

River: ($52.35) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players, 2 are all-in)

 

 

[duplukator]

Prima, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $3.83 (95.8 bb)

BB: $5.29 (132.3 bb)

UTG: $3.82 (95.5 bb)

MP: $4.20 (105 bb)

CO: $5.42 (135.5 bb)

Hero (BTN): $4.75 (118.8 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB raises to $0.16, BB folds, Hero calls $0.08

 

Flop: ($0.36) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

 

Turn: ($1.08) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $0.54, Hero calls $0.54

 

River: ($2.16) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $1.08, Hero ?

 

Опп:

http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1601/f4/2dce54fdf242.jpg

 

http://s57.radikal.ru/i156/1601/0f/40df0f7a314e.jpg

 

[duplukator]

Prima, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $7.92 (198 bb)

BB: $8.42 (210.5 bb)

UTG: $2.07 (51.8 bb)

MP: $6.49 (162.3 bb)

Hero (CO): $4 (100 bb)

BTN: $4 (100 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.40, BB folds, Hero calls $0.28

 

Flop: ($0.84) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $0.44, Hero ?

 

Как играем,  префлоп? Есть ли 4бет-колл?

Как играем дальше? Есть ли коллдаун до конца без выхода А или К?

 

Опп:

http://s017.radikal.ru/i441/1601/b2/f5e3c8a6fa99.jpg

 

http://s017.radikal.ru/i424/1601/20/3121d4995b29.jpg

 

[duplukator]

Prima, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $3.82 (95.5 bb)

Hero (BB): $4.13 (103.3 bb)

UTG: $4.42 (110.5 bb)

MP: $4.16 (104 bb)

CO: $3.99 (99.8 bb)

BTN: $6.31 (157.8 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif

2 folds, CO raises to $0.16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.54, CO calls $0.38

 

Flop: ($1.10) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO checks

 

Turn: ($1.10) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero ?

 

Как играть такие споты против неизвесных фишей с флопа?

На велью ставки вроде нет - у него там куча Ах в диапазоне, и он тут даже А2 не выкидывает....

 

Опп:

http://s019.radikal.ru/i626/1601/9b/5c081df35ef6.jpg

 

http://s43.radikal.ru/i101/1601/32/1bd8a802ab34.jpg

[PaymeSSS]

Опп рег.

Нужно ли с низким ФД колить уже флоп?

И на ривере есть для нас разница спаренная доска или нет и какое решение?

 

 

http://i10.pixs.ru/storage/5/7/8/88call3bPN_3830161_20224578.png 

 

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

Hero (SB): $69.86 (279.4 bb)

BB: $62.50 (250 bb)

BTN: $16.04 (64.2 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif

BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, Hero calls $1.50

 

Flop: ($4.50) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

 

Turn: ($10.50) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BB checks

 

River: ($10.50) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BB bets $7, Hero ?

 

 

[PaymeSSS]

Заколил фиш, сквизит рег. Как правило тут сквизят 3.25, таким большим сайзингом редко и чаще с топ спектра. Но я рассчитывал что фиш тоже вколит. И на флопе слишком плотно ставит может уже тут фолдить? Нужно ли ставить на пропущенный бет терна и если да, то сколько? И что делать на ривере как сыграно?

 

 

http://i10.pixs.ru/storage/6/6/8/99calldown_6296388_20224668.png 

 

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $38.34 (153.4 bb)

BB: $25 (100 bb)

Hero (UTG): $45.78 (183.1 bb)

MP: $13.10 (52.4 bb)

CO: $15.59 (62.4 bb)

BTN: $55.08 (220.3 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

Hero raises to $0.75, MP folds, CO calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB raises to $3.75, Hero calls $3, CO folds

 

Flop: ($8.35) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

BB bets $5.56, Hero calls $5.56

 

Turn: ($19.47) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

BB checks, Hero checks

 

River: ($19.47) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

BB bets $15.69 and is all-in, Hero ?

 

[PaymeSSS]

Опп рег

Нужно ли флоатить терн или бесплатно натягиваем аут? Нужно ли ставить ривер и если да то в какие карты ставим в какие нет? С выходом К у нас шдв и мы никогда не должны ставить?

 

 

http://i10.pixs.ru/storage/7/0/1/KJscall3bP_8143407_20224701.png 

 

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $81.45 (325.8 bb)

BB: $71.64 (286.6 bb)

Hero (CO): $62.50 (250 bb)

BTN: $67.19 (268.8 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is CO with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

Hero raises to $0.75, BTN folds, SB raises to $2.50, BB folds, Hero calls $1.75

 

Flop: ($5.25) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $2.62, Hero calls $2.62

 

Turn: ($10.49) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

SB checks, Hero bets $5.24, SB calls $5.24

 

River: ($20.97) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

SB checks, Hero checks

 

 

[PaymeSSS]

Опп фиш, стол без статистики. Сайзинг для 3бп повышенный и мы не можем колить терн? На флопе есть смысл рейзить рыбу как ты говорил плоским сайзингом, чтобы она чекнула терн? И напомни пожалуйста, что делаем против рега.

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 3 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

Hero (SB): $35.20 (140.8 bb)

BB: $26.33 (105.3 bb)

BTN: $5.05 (20.2 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.25, Hero calls $1.50

 

Flop: ($4.50) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

 

Turn: ($10.50) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BB bets $6.50, Hero folds

 

 

[kocmoc27]

Оппонент рег на СБ  11% - 3бет + 9% колд кол против Баттона, с фолд ту 4 бет 67%.

 

http://s012.radikal.ru/i320/1601/9e/3398438a3aef.png

 

 

Составил вот такие спектры защиты против него чтобы фолд на 3бет не превышал 55% 

Что думаешь по поводу того что против 11% я защищаю в 2 раза больше рук? С другой стороны если я не буду столько защищать я становлюяь эксплоитным с фолдом 60%+

 

 

Кол против 3бета:

 

http://s019.radikal.ru/i635/1601/74/e0f5ad9ecd4d.png

 

 

4бет против 3бета:

 

http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1601/17/c3f00ea5e51f.png

 

[barabanrapan]

3бечу рега, изолирующего фиша. Что делать на такой экшн, можно отскочить? Линия сильная вроде от рега, но пот одсы хорошие. Может ставить больше и сразу замазываться?

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $25 (100 bb)

BB: $28.75 (115 bb)

UTG: $14.48 (57.9 bb)

MP: $26.01 (104 bb)

Hero (CO): $24.65 (98.6 bb)

BTN: $28.77 (115.1 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is CO with Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

UTG calls $0.25, MP raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.25, 3 folds, UTG calls $3, MP calls $2.25

 

Flop: ($10.10) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (3 players)

UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $5.05, UTG raises to $11.23 and is all-in, MP calls $11.23, Hero raises to $21.40, MP calls $10.17

 

Turn: ($64.13) 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (3 players, 1 is all-in)

River: ($64.13) Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (3 players, 1 is all-in)

 

Results:

$64.13 pot ($3.00 rake)
Final Board: Tspade4.gif Kspade4.gif 9club4.gif 6heart4.gif Aspade4.gif
UTG showed Aheart4.gif Qclub4.gif and lost (-$14.48 net)
MP showed 9diamond4.gif 9heart4.gif and won $61.13 ($36.48 net)
Hero showed Theart4.gif Kclub4.gif and lost (-$24.65 net)

 

статы рега

http://prntscr.com/9pm5xm

 

[kocmoc27]

Неизвестный рег 77 рук, кбет 4 из 5 флоп,  2 из 2 терн. Агрессия  60% 43% 17%  - но рук мало и это 3 бет пот так что не понятно будет ли он пихать полный мусор и АК ? 

http://s017.radikal.ru/i424/1601/94/f95bab4933e9.png

[Newna]

skip/f 73, skip/c 24

 

http://i.prntscr.com/d6d04ea2c7604d958acf74d2791beb33.png

 

http://i.imgur.com/vjedpLn.png

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $23.15 (92.6 bb)

BB: $21.22 (84.9 bb)

Hero (UTG): $26.95 (107.8 bb)

MP: $38.99 (156 bb)

CO: $27.20 (108.8 bb)

BTN: $17.15 (68.6 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

Hero raises to $0.75, MP folds, CO raises to $2.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.75

 

Flop: ($5.35) 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO checks

 

Turn: ($5.35) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $3.30, CO calls $3.30

 

River: ($11.95) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, CO checks

 

Results: $11.95 pot ($0.54 rake)