Осел - враг и друг. Игра донкбетами и против них. Тренировка для Нл25 и ниже. (23.12.2015) - 18.00

[Boggart York]

Данная тренировка будет посвящена разбору ситуаций когда вы столкнулись с агрессией на постфлопе в виде донкбета и не знаете, что лучше делать - коллить, фолдить, рейзить, а также ситуациям когда вы сами сделали донкбет на любой из улиц. 

 

Здесь вы можете выкладывать свои раздачи и вопросы, связанные с этим вопросом.

[duplukator]

$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $3.43 (85.8 bb)

BB: $10.58 (264.5 bb)

UTG: $4.45 (111.3 bb)

MP: $4.68 (117 bb)

Hero (CO): $4.08 (102 bb)

BTN: $6.08 (152 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BTN folds, SB calls $0.10, BB calls $0.08

 

Flop: ($0.36) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (3 players)

SB bets $0.18, BB folds, Hero ?

 

Как играть такие споты против агромакак?

Опп:

 

http://s020.radikal.ru/i719/1512/70/8ffa9dbe5f6d.jpg

 

http://s019.radikal.ru/i641/1512/e4/df098c0d1a32.jpg

[duplukator]

$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $4.23 (105.8 bb)

BB: $4 (100 bb)

UTG: $4 (100 bb)

MP: $4.42 (110.5 bb)

Hero (CO): $5.45 (136.3 bb)

BTN: $4.76 (119 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is CO with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

UTG folds, MP calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, 3 folds, MP calls $0.12

 

Flop: ($0.38) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

MP bets $0.37, Hero calls $0.37

 

Turn: ($1.12) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

MP bets $0.53, Hero calls $0.53

 

River: ($2.18) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

MP bets $3.36 and is all-in, Hero ?

 

Малоизвестный фиш:

 

http://s010.radikal.ru/i314/1512/31/3141107b02d2.jpg

 

http://s019.radikal.ru/i602/1512/bf/cb57a49d8ccd.jpg

 

 

[duplukator]

$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $0.98 (24.5 bb)

Hero (BB): $5.64 (141 bb)

UTG: $6.26 (156.5 bb)

MP: $4.28 (107 bb)

CO: $4 (100 bb)

BTN: $4.15 (103.8 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif

4 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $0.20, SB calls $0.16

 

Flop: ($0.40) Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

SB bets $0.04,  Hero?

 

Донк 1ББ я считаю за чек. Тут рейз на тонкое велью до 0,35-0,4$.

Если получаем колл какие варианты дальнейшего розыгрыша при различных ранаутах и при его донках или чеках?

 

Веселый оппонент:

 

http://s014.radikal.ru/i327/1512/85/011ed73131ca.jpg

http://s019.radikal.ru/i626/1512/84/c63b6735ffb9.jpg

 

[duplukator]

Чего то никто ничего не пишет. Поспамлю тогда еще раздачками.

 

$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $4.92 (123 bb)

Hero (BB): $5.95 (148.8 bb)

UTG: $4.03 (100.8 bb)

MP: $13.50 (337.5 bb)

CO: $1.85 (46.3 bb)

BTN: $4.12 (103 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

UTG raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.12, 2 folds, SB calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.08

 

Flop: ($0.48) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (4 players)

SB checks, Hero bets $0.32, UTG calls $0.32, 2 folds

 

Причина для ставки по флопу - кража эквити рук оппонетов.

У опенрейзера много бродвея в диапазоне открытия.

СБ играет от чека - значит сильных рук нет - он бы их донкал с донком в 11. 

Диапазон МП я положил 22-JJ и весь бродвей.

 

Turn: ($1.12) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $0.74, UTG calls $0.74

 

 

Причина для ставки - полублеф с целью максимизации эквити за счет фолдэеквити. После кола флопа я в диапазоне УТГ оставляю оверпары и бродвей, так как сеты в мультипоте на супердровяной доске он по идее должен был играть через рейз. 

 

River: ($2.60) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, UTG bets $1.44, Hero folds

 

По риверу с его статами он промазавшие дро ставить не должен, поэтому там остаются оверпары и топпары. Поэтому вроде фолд.

 

 

Насколько верны рассуждения?

 

Оппонент на УТГ:

 

http://s020.radikal.ru/i708/1512/30/1d1c059badc6.jpg

 

http://s017.radikal.ru/i434/1512/9e/96c63c1758d1.jpg

 

Колдколлер МП - лузпассив 33/24 коллопен МП вс ЕП14 общий трибет 4 аггр  33/14/26 фолд на контбет 74

 

Колдколлер СБ - рег 21/17 коллопен 9 трибет 5 сквиз 5 донк в мультипоте 11 агр 40/27/18

 

 

 

[duplukator]

$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

Hero (SB): $7.02 (175.5 bb)

BB: $8.05 (201.3 bb)

UTG: $9.82 (245.5 bb)

MP: $5.03 (125.8 bb)

CO: $4 (100 bb)

BTN: $4.46 (111.5 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.08, Hero calls $0.06, BB folds

 

Flop: ($0.20) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $0.14, BTN calls $0.14

 

Turn: ($0.48) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $0.32, BTN raises to $0.88, Hero calls $0.56

 

River: ($2.24) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $1.20, Hero folds

 

Оппонент:

 

http://s004.radikal.ru/i205/1512/d3/8c5ad9691ac3.jpg

 

http://s020.radikal.ru/i710/1512/9e/d854688f6957.jpg

 

фолд на ривер бет у оппа 67

 

 

Префлоп - трибета на тонкое велью нет, поэтому колл.

Флоп - ставка на тонкое велью против диапазона открытия около 50%

Терн - ставка на тонкое велью. Насколько хорош/плох колл рейза по терну?

[Ciotar]

Pacific, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $20 (100 bb)

BB: $23.65 (118.3 bb)

MP: $21.24 (106.2 bb)

CO: $16.03 (80.2 bb)

Hero (BTN): $21.66 (108.3 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

MP folds, CO calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, 2 folds, CO calls $0.60

 

Flop: ($1.90) 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.65, CO calls $1.45

 

Turn: ($5.20) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)

CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $4.55, CO calls $4.35

 

River: ($14.30) 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

CO bets $9.03 and is all-in, Hero calls ???

 

фиш 64/7 wtsd 38, WWSF 50, WSD 43(ex small). Лимпы:

http://s015.radikal.ru/i332/1512/82/07cac18d1bad.jpg

 

as caller OOP:

http://s011.radikal.ru/i317/1512/5e/654b71ade191.jpg

 

[buranela]

на бб фиш, открывался рег

 

http://joxi.ru/BA0dzbVCV7BOAy.jpg

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

Hero (SB): $26.62 (106.5 bb)

BB: $31.91 (127.6 bb)

UTG: $31.20 (124.8 bb)

MP: $25.80 (103.2 bb)

CO: $51.33 (205.3 bb)

BTN: $25 (100 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif

2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

 

Flop: ($2.25) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (3 players)

Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50, CO folds

 

Turn: ($5.25) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $3.50, BB calls $3.50

 

River: ($12.25) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero bets $6, BB calls $6

 

 

 

[buranela]

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

Hero (SB): $26.48 (105.9 bb)

BB: $22.50 (90 bb)

UTG: $26.50 (106 bb)

MP: $25 (100 bb)

CO: $26.08 (104.3 bb)

BTN: $25 (100 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is SB with Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

3 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

 

Flop: ($2.25) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 7http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (3 players)

Hero bets $1.50, BB folds, BTN calls $1.50

 

Turn: ($5.25) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN checks

 

River: ($5.25) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $4.50, Hero folds

 

 

на бб фиш

[OtB_RedMoron]

Опп неизвестный рег

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $29.69 (118.8 bb)
BB: $25.70 (102.8 bb)
UTG: $30.31 (121.2 bb)
MP: $36.78 (147.1 bb)
CO: $25.28 (101.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $46.19 (184.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, MP calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.85) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2.54, MP calls $2.54

Turn: ($9.93) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
MP bets $6, Hero ?

[OtB_RedMoron]

МП прямолинейный рег , рейз с МП 17%, фолд 50%, но раз фиш зашел думаю шире зайдет. Фолд на кбет 55%.

 

ББ неизвестный фиш.

 

 

 

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $27.05 (108.2 bb)
BB: $28.62 (114.5 bb)
UTG: $33.24 (133 bb)
MP: $25.63 (102.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $31.54 (126.2 bb)
BTN: $31.92 (127.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, 2 folds, BB calls $2, MP calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.85) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $3.59, BB calls $3.59, MP calls $3.59

Turn: ($17.62) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $6.25,

[harlem]

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

 

prm4life (BTN): $24.90 (VPIP: 18.93, PFR: 14.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.32, Hands: 517)

13surok (SB): $19.26 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)

harlem (BB): $40.35

sven219 (UTG): $27.67 (VPIP: 19.98, PFR: 15.72, 3Bet Preflop: 7.40, Hands: 1,242)

jackpot2104 (MP): $35.70 (VPIP: 23.13, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 1.18, Hands: 415)

masakix (CO): $30.92 (VPIP: 20.17, PFR: 15.60, 3Bet Preflop: 4.04, Hands: 1,842)

 

13surok posts SB $0.10, harlem posts BB $0.25

 

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) harlem has      : 

 

fold, fold, fold, prm4life raises to $0.62, 13surok calls $0.52, harlem raises to $2.60, fold, 13surok calls $1.98

 

Flop: ($5.82, 2 players)        : 

13surok bets $2.78, harlem calls $2.78, prm4life folds.

 

Turn: ($11.38, 2 players)     

13surok bets $5.43

 

 

Донкает практически неизвестный оппонент, на БТН регуляр.

 

Сорри за формат раздачи,не получается нормально запостить.