be water my friend. Пассивная защита Bb vs BU. Тренировка для Нл50-Нл200. (11.12.2015) - 18.00

[Boggart York]

Данная тренировка посвящена теме игры на постфлопе, когда мы сделали колдколл на BB против опенрейза с BU и играем постфлоп без позиции и без инициативы с различными типами рук против широкого спектра защиты на BB. 

 

Играем на блайнде, как Брюс Ли! 

 

В данной теме вы можете выкладывать свои раздачи и вопросы, связанные с игрой BB vs BU, в качестве колдколлера на префлопе. 

[Yorkshire]

Я смотрел какой то видос иностранный на ПС. Там он предлагал, если в таких позах, то после чек/чек флопа играть бет терн и бет ривер. Причем неважно усилились мы там или нет, или может появилось какое то слабое ШД-велью. Но именно ставить нужно 2 улицы, просто ставка на терне - это выкидывание денег. Он там разбирал чью то базу и получалось, что эта линия играется в плюс. Я забивал эти фильтры у себя и тоже это в плюс. Так вот вопрос - как часто нужно играть так? Там по рандомайзеру в 30% случаев или 50%, например? А может и вообще 100% рук атаковать? Может она плюсовая потому что мы редко ее играем?

Ну и сразу же общий вопрос: и от тебя слышал, и еще где-то фразу: "Ну вот тут по рандомайзеру мы можем блефовать в 30% случаев" - какие вообще условия должны выполняться, чтобы мы решили, что нужно блефовать? Почему в 30, а не в 50?

[Const]

Опп рег 20/15

Cbet IP 70/51/36

Cbet-fold 46/56/100

AGG% 42/37/27

 

1. Можно разобрать мой разбор? )) Что лучше коллировать тёрном больше натсовых ФД или больше мидлпар?

 

2. Очень интересно рассмотреть эту раздачу со стороны рейзера. Как лучше защищать диапазон чека-бихайнд? На ривере ТП чекаем, а мидлпары проставляем блефом, чтобы соблюсти соотношение велью к лефам 2 к 1?

 

 

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $17.48 (35 bb)

Hero (BB): $59.02 (118 bb)

UTG+1: $54.28 (108.6 bb)

UTG+2: $70.48 (141 bb)

MP1: $69.05 (138.1 bb)

MP2: $96.58 (193.2 bb)

MP3: $50 (100 bb)

CO: $97.88 (195.8 bb)

BTN: $50 (100 bb)

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif

6 folds, BTN raises to $1, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50

 

Flop: ($2.25) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $1.62, Hero calls $1.62

 

Turn: ($5.49) 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $3.45, Hero calls $3.45

 

River: ($12.39) Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN checks

 

Разбор во флопзиле

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from BY 

 

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[LogAnt]

IPoker, $0.25/$0.50, $0.10 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. 

 

SB: $53.03 (106.1 bb)

Hero (BB): $51.77 (103.5 bb)

CO: $48.95 (97.9 bb)

BTN: $61.89 (123.8 bb) 29 / 22 / bu r1st 50 / малоизвестный, довольно агрессивный.

 

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif

CO folds, BTN raises to $1, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50

 

Flop: ($2.65) Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $1.85, Hero calls $1.85

 

Turn: ($6.35) Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $4, Hero calls $4

 

River: ($14.35) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)

Hero checks, BTN bets $10.50, Hero folds

 

Проверь пожалуйста мой разбор! Главным образом интересует на флопе нужно ли коллить KQo?

 

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[shell]

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $53.86 (107.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $160.72 (321.4 bb)
MP: $59.68 (119.4 bb)
CO: $61.90 (123.8 bb)
BTN: $61.09 (122.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif
3 folds, BTN raises to $1, SB folds, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.25) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero raises to $8.50, BTN raises to $30.51, Hero folds

Results: $22.25 pot ($1 rake)
Final Board: 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 2http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif
Hero mucked 6http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif and lost (-$11 net)
BTN mucked and won $21.25 ($10.25 net)

 

Опп рег, открывает 45% кбеты:63/50/50. Какую линию выбрать с нашей рукой?
 

[shell]

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Опп обычный рег, стоит ли защищать такую руку на кбет? Если да, то какая будет наша линия если на терне нам поедет ФД?

SB: $68.47 (136.9 bb)
Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $85.23 (170.5 bb)
MP: $50.75 (101.5 bb)
CO: $129.43 (258.9 bb)
BTN: $57.79 (115.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif
3 folds, BTN raises to $1.12, SB folds, Hero calls $0.62

Flop: ($2.49) 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.54, Hero folds

Results: $2.49 pot ($0.11 rake)
Final Board: 5http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 4http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif 3http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif
Hero mucked Thttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Qhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif and lost (-$1.12 net)
BTN mucked and won $2.38 ($1.26 net)
 

[shell]

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $131.03 (262.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $54.01 (108 bb)
UTG: $70.67 (141.3 bb)
MP: $47 (94 bb)
CO: $50 (100 bb)
BTN: $62.83 (125.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif
3 folds, BTN raises to $1.25, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.75) Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

Turn: ($5.25) 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

River: ($12.75) Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero calls $10

 

Results: $32.75 pot ($1.47 rake)
Final Board: Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif 9http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/diamond4.gif Jhttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif
Hero mucked 8http://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif Khttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/spade4.gif and lost (-$16.25 net)
BTN showed Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/heart4.gif Ahttp://pokertools.holdemmanager.com/images/emoticons/club4.gif and won $31.28 ($15.03 net)

 

 

Опп рег, кбеты по ул:60/57/63. Есть ли колл? С какой самой слабой рукой мы будем коллировать здесь?

[KashTa]

Опп - 27/21, стил 49, кбеты 61/50/49, агрессия - 27/26/24, всд 50, ввсф 42.

 

Что делать на такой структуре доски? Надо ли коллить ривер?

 

iPoker - £0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 114.6 BB
UTG: 114.25 BB (VPIP: 38.22, PFR: 22.13, 3Bet Preflop: 4.58, Hands: 654)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 16.79, 3Bet Preflop: 6.60, Hands: 19,602)
BTN: 104.25 BB (VPIP: 26.71, PFR: 21.25, 3Bet Preflop: 7.90, Hands: 33,677)
SB: 180.3 BB (VPIP: 44.98, PFR: 22.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 213)

5 players post ante of 0.2 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has  A 9

fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.25 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.25 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players)  9 K K
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.3 BB, Hero calls 3.3 BB

Turn: (12.6 BB, 2 players)  9
Hero checks, BTN bets 7.5 BB, Hero calls 7.5 BB

River: (27.6 BB, 2 players)  4
Hero checks, BTN bets 18.75 BB, Hero calls 18.75 BB
 

[KashTa]

Опп - 24/20, стил 51, кбеты 61/41/66, аф 35/30/35, всд 47, ввсф 48

 

Фолдим ривер?

 

iPoker - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.8 BB (VPIP: 23.90, PFR: 19.67, 3Bet Preflop: 6.39, Hands: 15,709)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.86, PFR: 17.55, 3Bet Preflop: 8.03, Hands: 9,394)
Hero (BB): 100 BB

3 players post ante of 0.2 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.1 BB) Hero has  Q T

BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (7.1 BB, 2 players)  3 J 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (15.1 BB, 2 players)  Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

River: (35.1 BB, 2 players)  K
Hero checks, BTN bets 24.55 BB, fold,